No church in the NT took that label. I would agree with this. INDEPENDENT This simply means that the church stands alone, free of any governing denomination, convention or council. So I wonder again is this God desire or your thing? Christs death ushured in teh New Covenant where ceremonial law for the remission of sin is replaced with grace and mercy. The Pharisees tithed on all their belongings. Your reasoning is faulty. The center of Baptist activity in the colonies was in the Philadelphia area, and Baptists held regular general meetings of the churches for devotional and evangelistic purposes there. Our goal is to send out missionaries, home and abroad, that will start independent, fundamental Baptist churches. The business is listed under baptist church category. 13:8-10). Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). She eventually left because my uncle (divorced numerous times himself), rode her case about it. I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. Biblically neither Deacons or Trustees are a governing body, or a board, but titles of special appointed servants who serve at the will of the pastor and congregation. God knows if he ever accepted Jesus Christ as his Saviour. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Independent Fundamental Churches of America, https://www.britannica.com/topic/Independent-Fundamental-Churches-of-America, Official Site of IFCA International, Grandville, Michigan, United States. The not so fine folks at Westboro Baptist are a bunch of lunatic fringe haters that act in contrast to the love of Christ they espouse to embrace. A new church opened their doors here recently, stating they are an IFB church. After taking in many of their services and listening to the self-ordained Pastor, and now reading this article, Ive come to some conclusions. A side note, my sons group In Search Of Reason has been selected to play for CreationFest this year. Whether these groups of believers called themselves Baptists or not, if they were doctrinally pure, following the New Testament for their faith and practice they were New Testament churches and thus they can be called Baptistic. Many Protestant denominations still hold to the writings of their church fathers as a source of church doctrine and have never accepted the Bible as their sole source of teachings for their faith and practice, which is a foundational teaching of Catholicism. Oopsin 1st paragraphh in one sentence I actually meant something more like this: the Law is fullfillednow we can truly do good works that are pleasing to the Lord for the sins are washed away with & following the Law to make us right, which it never could but only point to our need for redemption, is fullfilled. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? The Trinity: God is one What and three Whos with each Who possessing all the attributes of Deity and personality. I think most people would agree with me on this. But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. Because of persecution by the Anglican church of all who disagreed with it and who refused to agree to its authority, John Smyth had to flee England. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. I began my spiritual walk with Jesus studying the New Testament, but my journey through the Old Testament only reinforced my belief in the New and showed me more about God. And as long as we allow people into churches, Roman Catholic, Lutheran, Southern Baptist or IFB there are going to be problems. However, history does not record even one Anabaptist group or church becoming or founding a Baptist church. I just wanted you to know that I have made the decision to leave the IFB. This means that IFB churches do not look to creeds, confessions, or church councils to determine their doctrinal positions. It is my conviction that it is not possible to trace an unbroken line of Baptist churches from Christ until today. The New Testament teaches the absolute autonomy of each local church who is to govern itself as the Word of God instructs free from outside authority and control. 5. KJV Bibles are the best translations because they do not take out the blood of Jesus from scripture as the other versions along with other things. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. If people would only study the Word of God for themselves and stop being pew sitters and believe everything the pastor says of gospel truth theyd be able to spot a false doctrine/teacher a mile away. Questions/comments: Pastor Brewer's email: Wprophet@aol.com. Dress codes are not the problems. You said that I pulled that phrase out of context but then you went on to prove that it was in context. So, I guess we are not all as rigid as one would believe from some comments. Many churches by this time had come under the domination of the Rome government and had ceased from being New Testament churches. Greg, Bob Just want to commend you on how clearly you are able to elucidate on a given topic, Im envious. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. Independent Church. He said he could tell because I had a joyful spirit. You dont study enough. I apologize for my assumptions! Later Presbyterians, Episcopalians and Methodist were added to the lists of Protestants denominations. Greg all churches that suppoort Tithing as a good thing (incl IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, Many Non-Denominational Chruches,etc) Tithe a Tenth of thier income to building Gods Kingdom. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. That made them in the eyes of God as legitimate a church as any Paul founded. If other will share. When people ask me what church I am a member of, I always tell them the Heavenly Church, wherever and whoever that is. I already estb basis of why Tithing I believe is good (must read all post under Lynne). 4 Reasons Christians Are Wrong About Homosexuality, 63. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. Again adhering to correct doctrine and proper practices should be the focus in our lives. That coupled with your seeming lack of spiritual maturity will make for an interesting combination. In the simplest of terms a true Baptist assembly is one which follows the New Testament as his sole authority for his faith and practice. It did not produce a succession of other churches, but those who founded it went on to set up other Baptist churches in England. Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. You cannot read psalms w/out seeing those raised hands. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. Not one Baptist church can show in its history a direct succession from the Anabaptists. 7) divorce as the unpardonable sin you can be forgiven if you kill someone, or if you have been saved from a homosexual lifestyle, but God help you if you have been divorced, they will still let you come to the meetings but you have to set on the back row. Theres no recourse. Thus the words Independent and Fundamental have been added by many Baptist churches to further identify themselves as truly Bible believing churches and to show a distinction between themselves and Baptist churches who were not following Gods word. I posted my last post like 3 days ago and it just came up recently. God richly bless you and Merry Christmas! When a congregation results from the preaching of the Gospel, authenticating that congregation as a New Testament church rests solely on its doctrine and practice.not in its affiliation. Jesus was prophesied in the old testament. And only imagination could describe what his mind and soul was experiencing. WHICH BIBLE YOU USE DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE! @greg If you dont already, try it some time. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones. Psalm 137:9. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. 3:3). Later, the Dutch issued new orders and allowed religious liberty. I still attend a tiny (20-30 on Sunday) Baptist Church, and yes it is IFB. They submit a request to become affiliated and then are supplied with a form to fill out. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. Protestants for centuries saw the Baptists as their enemies and murdered them by the thousands in the name of Protestantism. In 1645, he formed a Baptist church in London. Being to poor to pay the fines he was banished from the colony. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. But God knows his heart. Biblical Mandate for BaptistDeception.com. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. Jesus upheld tithing because the Mosaic law was still in force for the Jews until the death of Christ. A person can rightly take pride in truthfully bearing the name Baptist. I am not trying to be overly critical and yet I only have a certain amt of time to get to my points and while doing that I often come across that way, so forgive me. After Roger Williams stepped down, Thomas Olney took over as the pastor of the church in Rhode Island. (My family moved alot when I was a child, and Ive attended 7 different IFB churches in 4 different statesnot all of them are same, but my current one for the last 10 years is great), I had a long response here, but I received and error. Please note that this presented no problem for this first Baptist church in America.

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