You consider it a personal failure if you are not able to find a verse within ten seconds, and secretly proud if you are able to find it right away. XII. Gods will was for me to forgive. Independent Fundamental Baptist or Bible-Believing Baptist) are a particularly cranky fundamentalist branch of unaffiliated your comments are offensive, you are narrow minded. 32 Go ahead and finish what your ancestors started. You can read more about it here: https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/, I never said the IFB is a cult because some IFB churches may not be the best. Even the General Baptists and the Free Will Baptists denounce eternal security, thus the only two Baptist groups that believe in Free Will. (II Corinthians 12:12; I Corinthians 13:8; Hebrews 2:3-4; Mark 16:17-20; I Corinthians 1:22, 14:21-22). If you think that mental health issues (depression, anxiety, bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, etc.) The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. This is the first and great commandment. Quite the contrary, I was searching for something else when I clicked on this link, so I didnt then and dont now come looking to argue. Wow! 18. The pastor explained forgiveness and that Jesus has already forgiven his sin on the cross and if I choose to not forgive than I am believing in my heart Jesus didnt die for his sin. You strain your water so you wont accidentally swallow a gnat, but you swallow a camel! 28:19-20; Acts 2:41-42, 18:18; I Corinthians 11:23-26). It didnt raise red flags for me. If people asked rather than assumed there would be a lot less reactions. Besides saying that those who practice any of these that arent saved is wrong because that is judging. Do you find them so humorous ? If you think that anything other than what your church teaches about salvation is easy believism, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Every time I got to a low point in my life, I knew that I could count on the church to be there for me. No one should be forced to any belief against his or her will. I believe this passage is a description of the IFB church Im a member of. 15. We believe the Blessed Hope of our Lord's return is literal, personal, visible, imminent, premillennial, and pretribulational. If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! If you believe that going to (or sending your child to) a college thats not approved by the IFB (e.g., Bob Jones University, Pensacola Bible College, Baptist Bible College, Hyles Anderson College, Tennessee Temple University) will cause you (or your child) to become worldly or will provide an undue worldly influence on you (or your child), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 29. If you are careful to not show any emotion while singing for fear that you could be considered dancing, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 33. WebBaptist beliefs are seen as belonging to three parties: General Baptists who uphold Arminian soteriology, Particular Baptists who uphold Calvinist soteriology, and Independent Baptists, who might embrace a strict version of either Arminianism or Calvinism, but are most notable for their fundamentalist positions on Biblical They are as tragic as they are true and yes the IFB movement went ver overboard on many standards and traditions. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! I have no opinion on this Instead of attempting to find humor , find time to pray for them. 16 Blind guides! We believe that the clear message of salvation is repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 20:21). People can ask for clarification if they want. We wanted help and we wanted to know what the Bible said. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist Preaching and Bible Study from the Word of God the King James Bible at Vision Valley Baptist Church in MT. I personally fall under Southern Missionary Baptist, and literally had questions in regards to my recent visits at an IFB church. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. 2Co 5:15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. 51. Even I believe that if you are living in sin you are getting to the point where you are eventually will lose your salvation. If you have others please feel free to share in the comments section, 1. Inspired by Jeff Foxworthys You Might Be A Redneck IfI came up with a similar list of items for the IFB. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. If you believe that attending an IFB church is the only way to hear the true gospel and get saved, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 36. 5 Hypocrite! Believing its a sin is one thing, believing its an unforgivable sin is another. You might Care to elaborate, provide examples? According to the ADL "Anti-LGBTQ bigotry and antisemitism are fundamental to New IFB ideology, as demonstrated by the doctrinal statements on their websites and the content of their sermons. 23 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, 2 The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. Wow! WebGetting to it. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. hypocrite. I read Matthew 23 just before writing. If your church sings Just As I Am at the end of every service We sing that song once in a while since its a good invitational song. If one gives because they are forced, or constrained TO GIVE, that giving does not come from the heart, and God does not honor that kind of giving. 44. It is interesting that you refer to IFB as viewing divorce people as being inferior Christians and are forbidden to hold any leadership positions in the church looking to their Scofield Bibles for direction. WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. But it cannot be pleasant carrying all that bitterness around with you every day. 1 John 1:9 If your church allows no outside group of singers to perform at your church for fear that not all of their individual theologies line up with the churchs you might be an independent fundamental Baptist. If you believe that clapping after special music is wrong because it gives praise to the performer rather than to God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 16. ? We believe that the New Testament church is a local assembly of baptized believers who have voluntarily joined themselves toge therto carry out the Great Commission. There I am separate does that mean Im never going to curse, or think negative thoughts. He says he isnt saved but is open minded and is at least asking questions. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. Whether u believe its talking about judah/Ephraim or not. We should not tell who are the good and bad Christians because we should treat everyone with love just like God loves every one of us. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. The abuse would continue and they would be dead and their child would be in foster care. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: That makes no sense. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. If you think that tithing of ten percent of your income is the minimum I dont have any position on this even though I do believe in tithes and offerings. Youre perfect for them because they dont want people challenging their belief system. N/A This is the only church Ive been to, so I just awsume all Churchs are loving, caring, forgiving, honest, and strive to bring glory to god and its just sad to here that thats not the case. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. The list is quite helpful just in case one is wondering if theyre living through the motions or not though, but some things are definitely unbiblical to do whether youre IFB or not. Most Christians believe everything in the Bible. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. This is just another sidetrack from the gospel of of Christ.We are to love one another and build up the church. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. We believe raising your hands during warship is appropriate, but the Bible specifically says to bow the head 2 Chronicles 20:18. If you (like Jason) come to this site to criticize sarcasm by hypocritically using sarcasm, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. No member shall To train up a child does not mean to beat him with a rod, although there BE TIMES that a spanking becomes necessary, but NEVER out of anger. Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Because of your traditions you have destroyed the authority of Gods word. I know the answers now. By the way Jason, if you think theres something spiritual about tolerating abuse, I feel sorry for you. Ive read all the comments posted so far, but I dont fall into many of those categories as an IFB and Ive been an IFB for almost 13yrs now. We also teach that one must hear the Word of God, one must believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must repent of your sins, one must confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God, one must be baptized for the remissions of sins, and one must live faithful until death. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Youre supposed to read the word daily, it says give us this day our daily bread. I dont have to try and understand it, I already know it. We did 2 weeks of counseling and got married at the end of our last session. They simply do not know and probably lack the ability to do the research, but Cyril I. Scofield was a Confederate soldier who left his wife and two children and later remarried another woman. While I dont have a general opinion on this, I do believe that we should discipline our kids in the same sense that God disciplines us. Tithing is also commanded in the bible and we are to give because he loves us and give with a joyful heart. WebNo denomination, governmental body, or religious hierarchy may dictate the church's beliefs or practices. If your youth pastor eats a goldfish or gives away a baseball cap for every visitor a child brings, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. We only care when we see new faces in the church, whether guests or new members. God Wasnt going to see our fornicating as bringing glory to him. They said no mixed bathing. Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). We believe in the bodily resurrection of all men, the saved to eternal life, and the unsaved to judgment and everlasting punishment (Matthew 25:46; John 5:28, 29, 11:25-26; Revelation 20:5-6, 12-13). Like I said, Im more than happy to have a discussion. Maybe one day I can reach your level of acceptance and spirituality. Stop this shamefulness, as you hurt the ministry of our Lord. From a biblical standpoint, Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and Man and only Jesus can intercede us. Just please be sure that your judging is fair. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. Tattoos are the marks of the Devil I really dont know if they are marks of the devil but I do agree that tattoos are sinful even if its against the Old Testament. I truly believe the IFB pastor and wife was just doing their job. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. Like I said, forgiveness doesnt mean anything other than forgiveness. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 2. As of 2019, the New IFB listed 32 affiliated congregations on its website, most in the U.S. with some in Australia, Canada, the Philippines and South Africa. If you compromise too much with the world, satan gets in and anything can happen thats why the word says to stay vigilant. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. He granted his permission to work in the Infant Ministry and Toddler, and 3-4 year old Ministry. The IFB is the one who is hurting the cause of Christ, just like the Pharisees did. If you believe that doing, saying, thinking, etc. Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. 23. God forgave my husband through Christ. If you feel compelled to go door to door witnessing (or were compelled to visit a nursing home as a teen), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 28. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. The IFB is the organization hurting His cause. Baptists do not believe that baptism brings salvation, but rather it is the answer of a good conscience toward God. I loved him, but I hated the way he treated me. I agree that God can use anything and anyone to reach people, but I can guarantee that the IFB has ulterior motives. Read Matthew 23 for more information. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. I had a wedding dress from when my boyfriend proposed on December 5, 2010. If you believe that declining to spank your child is the equivalent to spoiling him/her, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 31. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. JUDAH. If your pastor is a true scholar of the Bible and is on fire with eagerness to teach it, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 27. If you believe that perfection is something to strive for and/or attain this side of heaven,you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. Its insidious and extremely toxic. Also no one can hide hypocrisy and iniquity. I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. Jonathan I have a question for you..IF the wine is grape juice (as in the water Jesus turned to wine)HOW can you get drunk on it???? Its the inspired word of God. Our path is narrow, must we fight amongst each other while we walk it? A church that has tract rack I dont know what they are for but my old church has one for storing hymn books (or hymnals), pew bibles, bible study books, etc. These are right on the money! Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. I have no belief, opinion, or position of this My pastor and his wife sent evil. We will never attain that on this side. If it did then unsaved people wouldnt be able to forgive. Many of these are down right untruthful . . If you feel guilty for not having devotions 7 days a week, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 42. Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. There are independent Reformed/Calvinist Baptists, and independent Arminian I hope that you left your church in good terms and that they knew how you felt and whoever was wrong to be revived and allow the precense of God to bring the individual to the norm in other words what christian ought to be not what men want to be. I could come to him with anything that was bothering or troubling me and he NEVER judged me or held me in contempt by making me feel like I was less than or not good enough. Baptism means that a believer is bodily immersed in water followed by being raised up Its method of operation is subversive. N/A There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. What an extensive list. I had a pastor who was reaching out to me in the darkest part of my life, he used a broken phone as a way to get to me, he knew I could try and fix it, so he brought it to me and, rather than berating me, after I had fixed the phone he simply asked me Would it be okay if we just prayed together? and I knew, in that moment, that he actually did care about me, he didnt ask me to come to church, didnt ask for money, didnt ask for anything except for the opportunity to pray with me. A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith I aint got any place to judge anyone because in all honesty i have messed up in life a lot. And, I am genuinely sorry if any unbiblical or otherwise wrong IFB group, person or church, has hurt anyone here. In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. We can joke around about a differing denomination that we dont agree with, but how we react to a situation that wasnt intended, also matters greatly. If you party, DO NOT drink. Wherever there are people, there is sin. All I do is reply to comments. Seeing 2 brothers in Christ debase a conversation (be it one or both parties) to snide remarks, tasteless jabs, and condescension as a form or response, makes us all look bad. We dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. Also, Im not mocking Biblical beliefs. OMG = Oh My Goodness! All fellowship should be grounded in doctrine. I love this!! Despite having overcome drug addiction, trouble controlling my drinking, and a whole lot of other issues, my church never told me to leave, never told me to come back when I was better, never scolded me. Jesus does that. THESE SERMON OUTLINES By Michael D. ONeal, Founder and Pastor Since 1986 Of. Apart from Him we can do nothing. Christ is the o nly head of the church (Acts 13:1-4, 15:19-31, 20:28; Romans 16:1, 4; I Corinthians 3:9,16; 5:4-7,13; I Peter 5:1-4). Great job adding a bit of levity! Its the inspired word of God. No one knew about the marriage except us. Remember when Jesus rebuked the Pharisees? God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. Hypocrites! If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. No, but I wanted to send the rest of my life with him. The Trinity: Southern Baptists believe in only one God who reveals himself as God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. I rarely post on random pages I stumbled upon but by his reaction, he didnt think Dave intended to be offensive to prove a point. 5. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). Would you go back and pet a dog after it bit you? No government should interfere with the local church's preaching, activities, and ministry. We believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the eternal Son of God, became man, without ceasing to be God, having been conceived by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary, in order that He might reveal God and redeem sinful men (John 1:1-2, 14; Luke 1:35; Isaiah 9:6; 7:14; Philippians 2:5-8; Galatians 4:4-5). Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. For they dont practice what they teach. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. I can use scripture to instruct me how to forgive others and God told me that it is profitable. Using guitars in church is too liberal That was not the case at the church I grew up in when the last pastor I had when he came to Mountain Church of Christ when he first arrived (which is instrumental though membership is small). We ONLY pray to God because saints dont serve as mediators to God the Father. Many of those things actually do go on at IFB churches, but several of those things are Biblical.

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